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rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33678
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i just quit for the day working on rons console,it takes awhile to get everything to fit in the console and also to fit in the boat,most of it will be under the dash and against the seat.
the way it his controls were mounted before,it was way to low and he had to keep leaning forward to go to full throttle. this will make it much easier to use. this is just the bare bones of it,i am going to epoxy it and add side panels of vinyl,and if i can cut the stainless steel to fit the top,it should look ok,i hope. the rounded cutout is to be able to get to the back of he radio. when i put the vinyl covered side panels on,im not sure if i will cover the curves or accentuate them,thats up to ron,but i like them. the stainless is polished to a great mirror finish. the cables will run under the front and rear seat,then i make a tunnel for them between the front and rear seat,i hope you like it ron,if you dont let me finish it and see what you think,and if you dont like it i will do another one for you buddy,john 
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33681
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john, wondering why you changed it. the tach was positioned under the radio in a straight panel and the remote was flat not raised. the tach will be hard to see sitting behind the remote.
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33684
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ron,its like i said while you were here,the handle on the remote was not on right,it was set too far back,now you can see just how far forward the handle is,to be able to get the full stroke,the other way you would only have forward gear,this remote has the same amount of travel as your old one,so you will basicly have the same thing as you had before if its mounted on the gunnel like it was before.
also the control wires are steel ,where it comes out of the remote,in the pic you can see where the remote had to be angled to fit under the seat and still have room to go under the seat,and still have room to use the key like i asked in the original post let me finish it then,if you dont like i will not put it in,as for placement of everything ,i only have that amount of room to work with(between the seat and the dash,it just wouldnt work out,i can probably angle the tach,a little to see it easier,it looks better then the pipe clamp and its easier to see then the way it was,but if you dont like it will stop,maybe i can make it fit the devil ray,that way its not a total loss of 2 days of work ,alot of thinking too,john |
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33687
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john, i'm really sorry...don't waste another minute on my hair brained idea. the console was something i dreamed about since i bought the boat. i posted about it many times. i just wish someone would of told me that with the 180 degree throw of a merc remote it wouldn't work in my TINY boat because of the short distance between the front of the seat and the dash. guess i'll have to keep on leaning like i'm scratching my foot,lol... or it will be more of a trailer queen than ever. i just can't believe that donald canazzi would design such a radical hull and place the remote almost on the floor where it is out of normal reach. ron
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33691
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John, you're up to your usual craftsmanship. One question, why polished stainless on the top? Is there a possibility of reflected sunlight creating a problem?
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33692
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ok ,ron,i will quit on it.
thanks tudor,yeah it will be shiney,but it would look great,if and thats a big if,if i can get it cut without bending it,i had bought it for one of my boats but thought i would use it here for the looks of it.oh well it was worth a shot,im going to go lay it in the boat to see if it even fits,lol,john |
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33693
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todd, john has some stainless and i liked it. the amount of time that i use the boat any reflection is insignificant. also i always wear sunglasses. its a mute point now...i'm probably the only one that doesn't like it. think i'll shoot myself. ron
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33694
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ron dont be worried about it,its just some peices of wood put together,maybe i can make it fit another boat,i just have to find a radio that fits,lol,john
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33695
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ron,here are5 pics with it in the boat,remember it will be upholstered and MAYBE,lol,stainless on top,if not the top will be vinyled alsothe 1st pic is a view from the drivers seat,there are a total of 5 pics so this may take awhile,lol,darn dial up,john,p.s i cut it a little short under the dash so it would slide right in or out,but the stainless or upholstered panels will cover that.
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33696
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Guys, I like the idea of the console, but maybe just keep it to cup holders and radio/tach?
I have the control box in a very favorable location in the Sting Ray, (same deck as Manta). All I did was use the top two holes on the mount for the bottom two holes in the control box, moving it up about 4 inches. It's very easy to reach. I'll post pics later, my little camera is at work, and I can't find the cord for the big one. I think that would work better for you and you wouldn't have to monkey around hiding the cables. You could also then use the console for it's intended purpose, cup holders and radio etc. Just my $.02, hope you don't mind.  Here is the pic, I went out and took a pic from my cell phone and emailed it to myself...lol... 
Looks like I used the two front holes, and I know, I need to make the box longer to get some contact on the other two holes. Just add it to the long list of little things I need to do on this boat. BTW the console looks great John, can you make one for me? |
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33697
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cc,that would be alright,except rons steering wheel is a very deep dish type,he would still have some problems reaching it.
the way it was the cables and all the wires were laying across and even digging into the seat,this way you will not see any of that,but its rons boat ill do it however he wants,he isnt coming for it for awhile,i may just finish it,i have alot of time in it,and it may fit the devil ray,so dont worry ron,it will be used by me if you dont want,its no big deal buddy,i will put it back the way it was. but you might consider a steering wheel that doesnt come out so far towards you,something with a little less deep,john 
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33698
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cc,rons mounting platform is way further ahead and way lower then yours.
and sure ill make you one anytime you want,and of course like i always love doing,no charge buddy,just pay it forward. ron dont feel bad about it like i said it will get used somewhere,its not a big deal,no problem my good friend,john |
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33699
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Steering wheel is about the same as mine, but I moved my seats down a good 4 inches and pushed back as far as possible to accommodate legs and gut...lol...
Ron's seat is probably up a good 2 inches higher than mine, (thinner seat) and back at least as far, (again thinner seat). Just more info for you, hope you get it worked out, |
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33700
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dave, if you moved your seat back from stock position then your remote mounting box would be further away from you. your stingray control mounting box is not in the the same position as the mantaray.
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33701
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cc,here is where his mounting platform is now,and how the remote is placed,but its a mute point anyhow,if ron dosent like the console,and i understand compleatly,i was trying to get it to go flatter but it wouldnt work out,i had to angle it.
ron i just wanted you to see it in the boat,now i will take it out for you,im sorry buddy i tried. ron just sent me a drawing i will see what i can do with that,john,ps. heres the pic now imagine a deep dish steering wheel in the wy no wonder it was hard to reach. 
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33702
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john, maybe i'll try extending the control box back to the front of the seat. how much further back would i be able to mount the merc remote you gave me? i sent you a drawing for the re-configuration of the console. just a simple front only up and down. cd player as you have it..with the tach and a classic marine clock under the tach. anyone have a clock??
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33703
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john-gibson wrote:
yep a poor design flaw..... |
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33704
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lol,ron,i just sent you an email telling you that i can try to extend your mounting platform back,and you still may be able to use your original controls,lol,i guess great minds think alike.
does anyone out there want a console for a manta ray,if so i will finish it up,lol.john |
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33706
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Here's a mash-up, be gentle with me, I suck with paint, but you get the idea...
Lots of installers, even OE used trim screws and a plate to mount the controls hanging from the gunwales, just a thought... |
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33709
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yeah dave,im already thinking i can mount a good looking mount for the original remotes by securing it to the original mounting plate and the gunnel,it would be an extension so to speak,john
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33713
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if anyone has a radio/cd player they dont want let me know,i think i can make this console work in my devil ray,ill finish putting on the white vinyl and stainless(maybe ill put stainless on it),and also a tach for a 62 45 hp merc.
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33716
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cc1000 wrote:
the problem dave is with the handle. mine is so damn long it limits where you can mount it. the one john gave me is like yours and can be re-located easily. |
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33719
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Hi John - I don't think that console will work with the Mercury control. For my 1350 to get full speed the handle would be through the top of the console. The throw is very long on these controls. If you look at the handle on mine, mounted midship, straight up is neutral and idle. At full speed the throttle rotates forward well past the plane of the seat, meaning it would hit the console well before the boat was at full speed.
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33726
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nope brian the way you see the control handle IS at full throttle forward,and even in reverse it doesnt hit the seat,yes nuetral is dead center,but it doesnt matter anyhow ,i got an email from a member with a manta ray that wants to buy it,so if i dont use it ,i will sell it to him.
i tried it and have room to spare in both directions,and the cables work great,they extend fully,and retract fully,now with rons original controls it wouldnt work,but with the ones in the console it work great,john |
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33729
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Hmmmm....big difference. My handle moves several inches more than in your photo. At full throttle the handle is below the bottom of the control box.
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33736
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ever consider moving the box off to the right, and reversing the handle for it is out board of the console and unobstructed?
ron's box is also reversible, it could be mounted directly to the right side of the console. |
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33741
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guys im saying that it DOES fit and work great right where it is,it operates perfectly where it is right now,it took alot of figureing,thinking and alot patterns to get it where it would work in the console, thats why is at an angle,and also to get the cables and wires to go under the seat ,and still be able to use the key,ill take pics tomorrow with it in its compleate range,forward ,neutral and reverse,and like i said i will put it in my devil ray ,if i dont sell it to the other guy,or if it doesnt fit in my devil ray,i will give it to him for free ,thats how i like doing it,paying it forward like a great friend of mine told me to do a long time ago when he did me a favor.now im going to go look for a cheap waterproof radio/cd player and tach,for in it,i already have a remote like this,that the plug fits my 45 hp merc.im going to finish it since i already have 2 days in it,whats one more day.
then i will finish the stuff ron wanted done ,then try to get the devil ray finished for hammondsport. |
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33746
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Workmanship looks great and it fits the lines. It will look great where ever it ends up.
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33752
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ok lets put this to rest. when john mocked up the first console the merc control layed flat (no upward angle) and was positioned about 4" in front of the seat so i could get my fingers in there to turn the key, the tach was under the cd player. the wires that come out of the back of the remote won't bend to fit under the seat, hence the reason he had to raise it up and install on an angle so the wires would clear the seat supports. he did a superb job and 99 out of 100 people would like it, but i loved the mock up version and when i saw the change (the remote on an upward angle) i just didn't care for it. now of course this totally bummed me out knowing all the time john put into it. john told me not to worry about it as someone inquired about it and wants it for there mantaray, or he could keep it and use it in his devilray. i felt much better after hearing that.(here i haul a boat 7 hrs. for a man to do this work for free and waste his weekend, and i don't like it.) i think you can imagine how i felt. well anyway john is building me a simple vertical console on a slight angle to house my cd player, tach and clock. we'll try to move my original remote to a more comfortable position and if that can't be done we'll use the other one that john gave to me.
i was going to ask about a hardtop...but now i'm afraid..hehe..only kidding john. love ya bud, ron |
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33753
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thank you bob,i think it will look good in the devil ray ,at least this made me make up my mind on which boat to try to do for hammondsport.
right back at ya ron,im going to make it fit the devil ray.john |
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33757
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I was going to try to make it up to John's last weekend but we had too many family things going on. I still have not met John and we are only about 40 minutes apart. I was hoping to meet two friends and kill two birds with one stone so to speak. I don't want to step on anyones toes. And Ron I love your boat. Sorry.
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33758
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bob you should have come up and met ron and ed and me,we worked on the boat most of the weekend,but it wasnt enough time to do things right,so ron was kind enough to leave it here,and dont worry, ron doesnt get mad at anyone,hes a good guy.
bob you can come up anytime ,just let me know when so i am here ,heck bring a trailer for that 50 dollar boat ,lol,i need to get it off the trailer i got for the flying fish.like i said ill through in a brand new folding seat for it,lol. ron have you got a clock yet?i will need that before i can make the new console.john |
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33759
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ron ,if we are not putting the controls in the new console do you want me to make the one i mocked up?,i already have the patterns made,and where the part of the console is more flat i can make a place like a glove box,to keep your things in,like paper work etc,john
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33764
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33767
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john-gibson wrote:
john, just make the simple flat 1 piece on a slight angle.i think the clock is out. can't find a single one on ebay and no one answered my post. leave room at the bottom and if i ever find one i'll drill it out to fit. don't think i don't welcome your ideas...i surely do. ron |
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33775
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Where do the heater controls go?
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33777
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ron if i make it a simple one flat peice then you will see the sides of the radio and tach,maybe i should just leave an award winning boat the way it is buddy,i can put it back the way it was.
im sorry my friend i tried very hard,and i let you down,john |
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33778
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john, you can enclose the sides.
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Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33779
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ok ron thats what i will do,please remember that i have epoxy some supports to the floor to attach to,but they wont be seen,john
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:rons console for the manta 13 years 10 months ago #33780
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don't worry about it affecting future show awards. i'm done with the judging. i've won my share. now i want to enjoy the boat as comfortably as possible without us banging our knees on the cd player and tach.
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